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Cybersecurity, 5G, extraterritoriality, and the dynamic negotiation of trust :: with Tony Rutkowski, Sol Cates, and Tony Sager

In this week’s episode of Ventures, my guests Tony Rutkowski (http://www.circleid.com/members/6809/), Sol Cates (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sol-cates-649736/), Tony Sager (https://www.cisecurity.org/) and I extend last week’s conversation about cybersecurity and Web 3.0. We dive into topics related to international data controls, entrepreneurship in a global landscape, 5G, SSL certificates, and the evolving definition of trust.

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In this episode we cover the following:  

1:31 - Sol briefly recapping last week’s episode

2:17 - Tony S. introduction of Tony R.

3:33 - Tony R.’s introduction, 50+ year history in cyber and cybersecurity, from a radio amatuer to launching Saturn 5s, to federal service, to his work in telecommunications and security, to 5G.

20:43 - Recap of the questions from last week regarding lessons for Web 3.0

21:32 - Longer recap from Sol through Web 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 conversations from last week.

22:42 - Tony S: “This is not the first round of utopian thinking”. The struggle of moving to cloud and the body of enforcement. He grew up in a world where trust was a binary decision. Today’s world of trust is a much more nuanced “negotiating” decision.

28:47 - Tony R’s commentary on FCC attempts to implement international reporting mechanisms of problems. (Also commentary on antitrust efforts and 5G)

34:59 - Creating trust and encouraging anti-corruption in cyber

35:46 - Cloud computing, fog computing, and edge computing: implications of 5G

38:25 - Question for TonyR - what should bright-eyes entrepreneurs be aware of in terms of problems/potholes with international cybersecurity.

40:41 - Advice for entrepreneurs: everybody has an idea, but not everyone understands the context they are selling into.

42:15 - Commentary on Alibaba, Google, Elon Musk, and AWS. Matching users/funders with people who know how to code.

44:28 - Commentary and education on extraterritoriality

49:43 - Sovereignty and Data

51:20 - CA/Browser forum

53:48 - Let’s encrypt - what happened there and why is it problematic? Rational decisions individually versus systemic risk (e.g. Solar Winds).



1:02:28 - Are SSL certificates as simple as ensuring the data from point A to point B is encrypted? (No, they also should signal trust and verification of the provider)

1:06:43 - The slight of hand and scaling of trust

1:07:30 - The importance of an international perspective, especially amongst USA-based entrepreneurs.

1:08:40 - Where can we find Sol, Tony S, and Tony T online. https://www.linkedin.com/in/sol-cates-649736/, https://www.cisecurity.org/, http://www.circleid.com/members/6809/